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[project]: SPN newsletter for IJ, vol.2

A while ago, on February 19th to be exact, I created a poll to gather information on how people feel about a SPN newsletter on IJ. Due to a family bereavement at the beginning of March, I haven't had the energy to work on this project. I apologize for the hiatus!

However, now I'm very much in the mood to get this baby going.

Before we get to the results, I would like to thank everyone who has taken the time and effort to vote in the last poll! &hearts

What did we learn from the last poll?

1.) On the question, whether a newsletter is needed or not, 20 of 20 people (100%) answered with "we so need one".
That makes it a very clear "yes", guys! (Yay!) So there will definitely be a newsletter here on IJ!

2.) Of those 20 people, 19% are willing to collect links. (That would be [info]das_dingsi, [info]bubl, [info]only_gremo and [info]reijamira [me].)
In order to get this to work right, we'll need a few more people who are willing to share links they found. I think the more the better! :)

9% want to become an editor, that would be [info]das_dingsi and [info]reijamira. In the comments, [info]bubl considered to become one too.
Actually, that's great! But I think, in the future, we'll need at least one more editor.

3.) On the question, whether the newsletter should cover SPN content only on IJ or on LJ/JF as well, 47% answered with "yes for IJ/LJ/JF content" and 42% for "only IJ content".
However, in the comments, [info]birggitt mentioned here that "it would be nice to have both IJ and JF links. Not LJ, though, as there is a quite good newsletter, and even if you are only in IJ, you can always RSSD that."

I must say, I can only agree with her comment. The LJ newsletter is very complex and people who are interested in what's going on in SPN fandom on LJ can always read the feed.

What I can gather from the poll result is that people around here wish to have a newsletter that not only covers SPN related content on IJ but also on JF as well.
This needs a few more thoughts, because even though I have a JF account I'm hardly, if any, active over there. That's why we absolutely need more link hunters. :)

Tl;dr:
+ There will be a newsletter on IJ.
+ The newsletter will cover SPN content on IJ and JF.
+ We still need people who provide links, especially on JF (link hunters).
+ We also need one or two more editors.


More thoughts...


Location:
The question where we should post the newsletter was raised in the comments.
[info]yourlibrarian said "the [info]roadhouse could be used for that."

She also suggested to use the [info]roadhouse for a noteboard as a substitute for a newsletter. (In case you are wondering what exactly a noteboard is, like me before, [info]yourlibrarian gives a nice explanation here.)

And last but not least, [info]skuf suggested to "consider contacting the [info]spn_newsletter mods to see if they'd be willing to hand over the comm" which would give us the benefit of already having 109 watchers.

I found this to be a great idea, and I've approached the mods with this idea. Hopefully, they will answer soon.


Newsletter vs. Noteboard
As mentioned before, the question remains whether we want a newsletter like the one on LJ or a noteboard, where people crosspost or link their fanish content, and where we can collect the links for a regular round-up.


Selective vs. All-Inclusive Newsletter
Also mentioned in the comments (here by [info]skuf and here by [info]greenapple) were selective or all-inclusive newsletters. A selective newsletter would only link to the "good" stuff, whereas the all-inclusive one would link to just everything.

I think it's wise to create another poll to determine how people think about those subjects.

Poll: Vol.2



Poll #1897 SPN newsletter poll, vol.2
Open to: All, results viewable to: All

Please say "hi" or something. This helps me determine how many people took the poll. :)

Just in case, are you interested in becoming an editor?

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Yeah!
3 (23.1%)

Nah!
7 (53.8%)

Something else? (I tell you in the comments!)
4 (30.8%)

Would you help providing links? Meaning, every time you find something interesting, you let the newsletter crew know.

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Absolutely, yes!
8 (61.5%)

No, I'd rather not.
3 (23.1%)

I tell you in the comments.
2 (15.4%)

If you answered "Yes" in the previous question, would you also look for links on JF?

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Of course!
2 (16.7%)

Nah.
0 (0.0%)

I don't have a JF account/I'm not active there, sorry.
10 (83.3%)

Tell you in the comments.
0 (0.0%)

How do you prefer the form of the "newsletter"?

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I'd like a newsletter like the one on LJ.
10 (76.9%)

I like the idea with a noteboard and a regular round-up post.
5 (38.5%)

Any other ideas? Tell me in the comments.
0 (0.0%)

In case we can't take over the existing [info]spn_newsletter, how would you like the newsletter to be posted?

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On a separate newsletter asylum.
7 (58.3%)

On the [info]roadhouse.
8 (66.7%)

On a noteboard community.
1 (8.3%)

Any other ideas? Tell me in the comments.
0 (0.0%)

Selective vs. All-Inclusive newsletter...

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I want a selective one, give me only the good stuff.
3 (23.1%)

I want an all-inclusive one. I decide for myself what's good or not.
10 (76.9%)

Anything else? Tell me in the comments.
1 (7.7%)

Ticky boxes, because a good poll needs those...

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Crap.
0 (0.0%)

Uhm, whut?
0 (0.0%)

Yadda! Yadda!
0 (0.0%)

&hearts &hearts &hearts
4 (36.4%)

Blue Steel!
6 (54.5%)

I want ice cream, nao!
3 (27.3%)

Bakerman is making bread. ;)
3 (27.3%)

Lalalalalaaaala
2 (18.2%)



I'd appreciate it if you could spread the word about this project! Thanks for reading and taking the poll!! &hearts &hearts &hearts

Comments

Heyas, I'm Rayven, sorry I missed the last poll!
If we aren't talking serious, mind-bendingly code-intensive work as an editor, I'd be happy to work on the newsletter. I'm not much of a link-hunter though...I tend to depend on newsletters and the like for my linkage anyway XD.
Anyway, let me know what's going on!
Hey! Thanks for taking the time to vote in this poll. I'm also glad for your comment! &hearts

If we aren't talking serious, mind-bendingly code-intensive work as an editor, I'd be happy to work on the newsletter.
Didn't you know? Being an editor is serious business, you must at least have 3 years of experience in advanced html coding!

*lol* Just kidding!! :D I think, to be an editor you need basic knowledge of html, such as how to display links, make text bold, italic etc. And you need a bit of a feeling for clarity in the way you write the entries, you know, stuff like making subtitles bold.

I haven't put too much thought into the editing matter yet, but I guess we will have a code pattern every editor will use... I think it's easier this way, and it will create an identical newsletter no matter who the editor will be. :) But more on this subject later on, once we know where the newsletter will be posted.

And yay for wanting to edit!

I'm not much of a link-hunter though..
That's not a problem I guess. There are a lot more people willing to hunt for links then to become an editor.!

I'll keep you informed! :D
Perfect. Thanks a bunch!

-Rayven
Hey, I wasn't sure about the question about selective vs. inclusive. Mainly I'm torn because it would be nice if the newsletter filtered out the really bad stuff, so you could know with certainty that the stuff on there IS the good stuff and worth reading and checking out. On the other hand, I wonder who would be the ones to decide what the good stuff is, and how would they really decide that? Some stuff is pretty much universal, but people do have different standards even for the basics like grammar and spelling. It seems like something that might invite wank, too, because someone might be rejected and get pissed off.

But if it's being done that way in LJ successfully, then I say let's do the selective. I really don't know how it's done there, so I don't know what's been tried and what's been shown to work/not work.

I also think a noteboard with a roundup would make sense, for the reasons you stated - that IJ doesn't seem to have many active communities. This way people could pimp or rec the stuff they write and see, and wouldn't rely on a few people to hunt down stuff that might be in people's personal journals or hard to find.
Hiya! Thanks a lot for voting and for your detailed comment! &hearts

On the other hand, I wonder who would be the ones to decide what the good stuff is, and how would they really decide that?
Word! Exactly my thoughts. I'm not sure at all where to set the line between good and bad stuff. "Good" is still too subjective.

For instance, I don't like mpreg and therefore can't find any mpreg fics "good", whereas someone else, who is into it, likes it. That's difficult, really. And I don't want to be the judge of what shall be considered "good" enough to be included in the newsletter and what not. Besides, this will require that, for instance, I've read the fic and I don't think I'll have that much time at hand. *lol*

If this poll's result will be that people wish a selective newsletter, we have to discuss this matter more deeply.

It seems like something that might invite wank, too, because someone might be rejected and get pissed off.
Oh I fear the wank!

But if it's being done that way in LJ successfully, then I say let's do the selective. I really don't know how it's done there, so I don't know what's been tried and what's been shown to work/not work.
I don't know, either. But it seems like it's inclusive.

I also think a noteboard with a roundup would make sense
The more I think about that, the more I think that this would actually be the best way to proceed.
Now that I've had time to actually think about it rather than just popping down the quick and easy answers, I really prefer all-inclusive newsletters. I like rec newsletters as well, but as a supplement. I don't mind at all though when there are all-inclusive newsletters that have an editor's pick.

As far as a noteboard goes, I'd rather that be used to supplement the link-hunters rather than as a primary source. I know I always feel more comfortable dropping links to a regular newsletter that dropping them off at a noteboard. I don't really know why that is, but it's probably tied in to that I don't really like pimping my own work, and that's what noteboards feel a lot like to me. ^^;
Hi! :) Thanks for taking the poll and for your comment! &hearts

I don't mind at all though when there are all-inclusive newsletters that have an editor's pick.
Oh, I like that idea! Thank you!

As far as a noteboard goes, I'd rather that be used to supplement the link-hunters rather than as a primary source.
Again, great idea! If we have a noteboard with a round-up newsletter, I think it will be the [info]roadhouse as the noteboard and we'll create an extra asylum to post the newsletter to.
I'm sorry about your loss.

Just in case, are you interested in becoming an editor?
I'm already a newsletter editor, so I'm worried I may be set in my ways, but since I'd love to see an SPN newsletter here, I'd certainly be willing to try out, if you can't find anyone else/enough people. Feel free to contact me.
I gave my response as "other" because I find that doing a round-up post tends to be much faster than putting together a newsletter one (I do one for a comm on LJ) and so I'd be willing to do those but am not sure I can add an editor spot into my schedule.
I'm not really sure about how time consuming would be the editor thing. I would like to help, but, as my life is going, my spare time is not a lot.
So, if it's gonna take, let's say, 3-4 hours and I would do it on weekends? That could be awesome.
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